Dr. James P. Wickstrom
UKRAINE WAS A PLAYBOOK CIA COUP D'EAT -- PROF. FRANCIS BOYLE
This denial by the Bandera nazi [sic]
extremists and the illegitimate power in Kiev of a basic human rights
for a huge percentage of the population runs contrary to international
law and the European Convention of Human Rights to which Ukraine is a
signatory.
According to the United Nations General
Assembly Declaration of Principles of International Law and under the
terms of the United Nations Charter, effectively the Russia population
have a right to secede from Ukraine.
In an interview with the Voice of
Russia Harvard Professor Francis Boyle says that there is no real
government in Ukraine right now, and called it a gang of neo-Nazis,
fascists and rightist thugs. There is clear cut discrimination against
Russians in Ukraine with public demands in Kiev that Russians be killed.
According to Professor Boyle what happened in Kiev was a playbook coup
d'état by the CIA. Victoria Nuland, the Assistant Secretary of State for
European Affairs, working with the US Ambassador, were instrumental in
carrying out the coup d'état, as it has been proven they were working
with “the brown shirts”: Svoboda, the right sector, the Bandera Nazis
and skinheads.
This is
John Robles, you are listening to an interview with Professor Francis
Boyle. He is a Professor in International Law at the University of
Illinois College of Law in Champaign in Illinois. And he also holds
multiple doctorates.
Robles: Hello, sir.
Boyle: Hi, John, how are you doing? My best to your listening audience.
Robles: And
thanks for agreeing to speak with me. I’m doing well by the way. You’ve
made several comments and you‘ve written several very hard-hitting
pieces regarding the rights of people to secede. In this case we are
speaking about Ukraine and the Russian speaking population which is a
very large percentage of the population in that country. Can you give us
some details on that and your views on what is going on in Ukraine
right now, please?
Boyle: Right,
John. Well,let me just look at it to start out as a legal matter. What
you had here, as you know, was this rump Ukrainian Parliament voted to
terminate Russian as one of the official languages of Ukraine and you
have, I would say, maybe a 30% or more of the population are native
Russian speakers.
Now the problem with this is that it does
provide, or at least start to provide, grounds for succession under
international law. I’m not saying here I’m asking for succession,
although I do note there are now people in the Russian speaking areas of
Ukraine especially in Crimea and Sevastopol asking for succession.
So the test for succession, and let me read
it here for you, taken from the United Nations General Assembly
Declaration of Principles of International Law under the terms of the
United Nation’s Charter, and it’s set forth in a paragraph which I sent
to you, effectively what it says is that if a government, and here in
Ukraine right now there is no government, there is just a gang of
neo-Nazis, fascists, rightist thugs and whatever in charge of Kiev.
But if a government does not quote:
“conduct themselves in compliance with the principle of equal rights and
self-determination of peoples and possess a government representing the
whole people, belonging to the territory without distinction as to
race, creed or color”, then that provides grounds for succession.
And here you have the Russians being
stripped of their language, so it’s clear cut discrimination here
against Russians. You are hearing public demands in Kiev that Russians
be killed, and things of this nature.
So I’m not saying that I’m supporting
succession, but this is very dangerous what the rabble in charge of Kiev
have done here in stripping the Russian speakers of their native
language, and as we know the capability to speak a language goes to the
very heart of any people, no matter who they are.
And this is a serious issue between the
First and Second World War, when you had collapse of all these empires
and the arbitrary creation of nation states, and speakers of one
language put in, as a minority in another state.
So it is a very dangerous step they have
taken here. As you know they have also outlawed the Communist Party -
that is serious. I don’t think legally it is as serious as stripping
Russian speakers of their language, in dealing with the state. But even
there, Ukraine is a party to the European Convention of Human Rights.
There is a right of association, and
political association, and to establish political parties. I’m not a
Communist myself, I’m a political independent, but they certainly have a
right to have a Communist Party if they want to, and today we just saw
that the leader of the Communist Party in Kiev – they burned his home
down. So, we have a chance that Russians and Communists and Jews should
be killed over there. So it’s a very bad sign for maintaining the
territorial integrity of Ukraine.
Now so far, I think Foreign Minister Lavrov
has taken the correct position, that is: ‘we are not going to interfere
in the domestic affairs of Ukraine’, which is correct under
international law. But he said ‘others should not do the same either’,
but unfortunately, as we know, the United States and Germany, at a
minimum, are over there interfering in the domestic affairs of Ukraine.
So, it is a very difficult, dangerous situation. I think the thugs ruling there in Kiev right now are playing with fire.
Robles: Now
you mentioned some things that are very alarming, and they have been
alarming for many Russian officials. I’d like your comment, if you
could, first off: Russia’s Human Rights Ombudsman, he said that this was
a violation. Let me pull up the quote here, he said: ‘the attack on the
Russian language in Ukraine is a blatant violation of the rights of the
ethnic minority;it is against the principal of the rule of law’. That
was stated by Konstantin Dolgov today. The figures that we have …
Boyle: He
is correct, he is certainly correct, and I’m suggesting it’s far more
serious than that – in that it provides a legal basis for the Russian
speakers in the Russian areas of Ukraine to declare succession,if that’s
what they want to do.
So it’s even far more serious than your
minister there is pointing out, there was far more grave, serious
violation of their (Russian) basic human rights. Yes, but I agree with what he is
said, yes.
Just a reminder you are listening to an interview with Professor Francis Boyle.
Robles: You
mentioned death threats against Russians and Jews. Can you tell us
about a little bit about those? And how is it possible that the West is
continuing to support these people, these thugs that have basically just
occupied all the houses of government?
Boyle: But,
the United States’ government has been overthrowing democratically
elected governments since the Mosaddegh Government in Iran and putting
the Shah of Iran in power - that was Kermit Roosevelt - and even as he
publicly bragged about it in his book Countercoup, and even have a manual in circulation there at the CIA based on this, on how you overthrow governments.
So it seems to me this was a playbook coup
d'état by the CIA. Nuland, the Assistant Secretary of State for European
Affairs, working with the US Ambassador, we now have the tape on that.
So this is a classic coup d'état, and working with what I can call ‘the
brown shirts’ over there: Svoboda, the right sector, the Bandera people,
skinheads– they list these types of people they want.
So that is people that they were working with to overthrow a democratically
elected government, and basically shred the Constitution. They are
paying no attention at all to any constitutional arrangement there. And
as we know, as of today, Tuesday evening my time, they still don’t have a
government in Kiev, they can’t agree on one.
So, it does appear the Americans favor
putting Tymoshenko back in power, because you had that very famous
picture of her with Ambassador Pyatt, that was clearly a symbol that she
is the American favorite. But I think the neo-Nazis, and the fascists,
right sector don’t even want her.
So I don’t know how all this is going to
shake out. And in the meantime, it is extremely dangerous in Kiev and
the non-Russian speaking parts for Communists, Jews, Russian speakers. We
will have to see what happens, I really don’t know.
Robles: Couple of other things here now. Klitschko said, earlier today Moscow time, that he wanted to run for president. Then we have Yarosh, he
is the leader of the nationalists who have been training in western
Ukraine for about a decade to carry all this out - he wants to be the
president - he wants to lead the country. And it would be something
unbelievable in modern times, something like a Nazi regime is what he
wants to bring about. People call him “The Führer”.
Also,
Jewish leaders have called for Jews to leave Kiev, and possibly leave
the country. Was the U.S. aware of all this? I find that hard to believe
they were that ignorant what they were unleashing.
Boyle: I’m
sure they knew exactly what they were doing. Look, the United States
government works with anyone they need to work with, to accomplish their
objectives, as you see in Syria-they are working with Muslim extremist
terrorist groups to overthrow the Assad government in Syria - I’m not
saying he is democratically elected.
They did the same thing in Libya to
overthrow Colonel Gaddafi - I’m not saying he was democratically
elected. So it doesn’t really matter, whatever gets the job done- they
will do.
So in Ukraine they decided to work with the
neo-Nazis, fascists, right sector, Bandera people, those who trace
their origins back to the German invasion of Ukraine and exterminating
millions of Ukrainians, including maybe 2 million Jews, we don’t even
know the exact number.
Nuland made it clear in that conversation
that she does not support Klitschko, and she called him Klits, he is
basically a creation of the German government, and Yatsenyuk, he is in
there, and Svoboda- they don’t support them, they are too far right.
But they (U.S) made it clear they support
Tymoshenko. She is their errand girl, and they want her in power. They
figure she is the best ‘face’, but as Nuland said: she should be talking
to Klitschko and the head of Svoboda there, was it four times a week?
Or something like that.
Robles: Yeah, four times a week she said.
Boyle: So, that is what the Americans want. Whether they’ll get it, I don’t know.
Robles: There’s
one problem – that is not what the Ukrainian people want. I mean, when
Tymoshenko was rolled out, most of the people were not that happy to see
her.
So, I
mean, sure that’s somebody the U.S. wants, but how they are going to put
her in power if the Ukrainian people don’t want her?
Boyle: Well I agree with you, but this is a coup d’état.
I mean, the Iranian people did not want the Shah of Iran either, but
that is what they got. The Americans working with the rabble over there,
and the brown shirts in Iran, they, against the wishes of the Iranian
people, put the Shah in power and he stayed there from 1953 until 1979.
So if it doesn’t appear she is going to
work, the Americans will play a little around and find someone else who
does work, and is more acceptable. I can’t say, John.
But the Americans want their person in
power, in Kiev, and if it is not Tymoshenko, then maybe they will go
with Klitschko first -who knows? If that doesn’t work out they could
even go with Svoboda, and try to rehabilitate Svoboda. I can’t say. I’m
still trying to figure this out now.
Robles: Yeah,
we are talking about this matter-of-factly, like we are discussing like
the choosing of a team, but what we are talking about here is
completely illegal under 'international law', isn’t it? You can’t install
governments at will no matter who you are.
Boyle: Well,
that is correct. It is clearly illegal, we discussed this before – it’s
condemned by the World Court and the Nicaragua decision,when the Reagan
Administration tried to overthrow the Sandinista government
in Nicaragua, and they were not democratically elected at all, but the
United States government has been doing this starting with the overthrow
of the democratically elected government of Iran, then Guatemala, and
moving on from there, I mean, I can’t recall the exact number of
governments they’ve overthrown.
Robles: Over 70.
Boyle: Yeah, Bill Blum has a book called ‘Killing Hope’.
Robles: Yeah, I read it, I know Bill, I know Bill. I think 77 (countries the U.S. overthrew) he said.
Boyle: He
has got the exact number and the circumstances - all in his book
“Killing Hope”. And Bill used to work for the State Department, and
resigned in protest over the Vietnam War. He is a very solid person.
Robles: Yeah,
I’ve interviewed him several times. Professor Boyle, we are out of time.
I really appreciate it, if maybe if you could in less in a minute if
you could give us your prediction and your advice for all the players in
this.
Boyle: Oh,
John, I mean, we did discuss this the last time, and at this point I
really don’t know what to say. All I can say is that Foreign Minister
Lavrov has so far - I’ve commended him before - I think he is an
outstanding diplomat and representative of the Russian Federation and
far superior to Secretary of State Clinton and Secretary of State Kerry,
but he has taken the principle position under 'international law', that
Russia is not going to interfere in Ukraine’s domestic affairs. And that
is a correct position to take.
Now, beyond that, I would not know how to
advise the Russian government right now what to do. I think president
Putin and his National Security Council, as you know they met last week,
are trying to sort all this out. You know, it could be, President Putin
might decide to try to stabilize the situation in Ukraine. He might
decide that he doesn’t really want a civil war in Ukraine right on the
borders with Russia.
So those, very well, might be his
calculations, and I certainly would not disagree with those conclusions
if that was what he and his National Security Council were to decide. I
think if there were to be a civil war in Ukraine it would make what
happened in Yugoslavia child’s play. So, that might be the way President
Putin is seeing things now as we speak.
Robles: Ok, thank you, Professor Boyle. I really appreciate your views.
Boyle: Fine! Thanks a lot John, and my best again to your listening audience.
Robles: OK. Thank you,sir. I’ll be in touch, thank you very much. Thank you.
This
is John Robles, you were listening to an interview with Professor
Francis Boyle. He is a Professor in International Law at the University
of Illinois College of Law in Champaign, Illinois. Thank you very much
for listening and we wish you the best wherever you may be.
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